I said it wasn’t possible, they said it was! Meet your spirit guide in thirty minutes they said and begin a new life of total open-mindedness! In the usually beautiful region of Berkshire in England comes a relatively new paranormal investigation team that displays both confusion to the core and downright outrageous claims.
Having spent a few weeks with the Thames Valley Paranormal Group, based in Berkshire, talking with them on their forums and live chat (often resulting in heated discussion between me and their famous fairy believing Druid) they kindly directed me toward a collection of spiritual courses that they offer and you can take to improve your openness to spirituality.
By "Crashcat"
www.tvpg.co.uk
They called it ’Paranormal School’ . It claims to attempt to connect you spiritually but also give you a comprehensive guide into ’ghost hunting’. A cringe worthy term if ever I heard one. They claim to have the facts of 'ghost hunting' and [I] spiritual energy[/i] and also employ them on investigation. Now of course hearing that this investigation team had 'facts' of paranormal energies shocked me. Kind of like when we all first heard that Vader was Lukes father in Starwars, it was exactly that kind of shock!
I was dumbstruck and needed to read these facts right away. I followed the link and it took me to a page called 'a guide to ghost hunting' and came with the phrase 'for the serious ghost hunter'. I read on with great anticipation of these 'facts'.
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If you want to do some serious ghost hunting then you will need some basic equipment. Plus you need to know a few basic facts about paranormal activity. Firstly, ghosts do not appear "on demand" therefore organized ghost hunting event you may not experience anything paranormal at all. There are 2 basic types of "ghost". Residual energy, and spirit energy.
Oh dear.
Firstly, having spent a while researching myself now I’m still yet to see any conclusive proof that spirit energy even exists. For them to state it as 'fact' in a guide is terrible. What’s worse is currently they are the most well established group in Berkshire (there only being currently 2 that we know of) and whomever is looking up Berkshire paranormal teams will come across them right away which in my eyes puts then in a wrongly influential position. Already they seem to be throwing around the word fact without any evidence to support their claims, but as you will see this is a feat this team uses regularly.
I continued on grudgingly and came across a 'free video' that gave tips on investigation techniques. Again i was happy to watch it. I was expecting a visual guide for technology, established methods, rational thought and theories etc. I should have known that what i was expected would never come, but i wanted to give benefit of the doubt. This is the video presented:
Having walked away after the first minute because i went to get a cup of tea, i came back knowing i had to watch it again. I came out the other side of that video failing to recognize any guidance what-so-ever. The only part about it that interested me, and i would suspect most viewers was the Camille Saint-Saens - Danse Macabre theme tune they used (which i love every time i hear it). I'm unsure how they would define that as an educating video at all. I sat there for a few moments trying to figure out if this was a wind up, a pitch at satire or a serious presentation. I came to the conclusion it was satire, but surely a poorly placed video in a guide, it displays little or not valuible infomation what-so-ever.
I continued on, each sentence bearing down on my sentient being. The next paragraph in their guide to 'serious ghost hunting' baffled the life out of me. I was now questioning their seriousness at all
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Spirit energy is the actual presence of a spirit which has not yet passed over to "the light". Different beliefs will have differing understandings of "spirit" and "the light". A spirit energy may possibly be communicated with intelligently. For example, asking "knock twice for yes" might actually produce 2 knocks. It is also possible to communicate with spirit energy via the use of a séance Ouija board, however the use of such methods should be strictly controlled by a well trained medium or other spiritually aware person who is able to offer suitable "protection" and be able to stop malicious spirits from entering or remaining.
Now you know that kind of face that you do when half you're face is kind of scrunched up, one eye closed and your mouth wide open in both confusion and shock? That is what face i had when reading that above. Why i hear you ask? I'm sure that they used the phrase 'facts' and 'serious ghost hunting' a few times now and I'm yet to see such things. Where is the fact or proof to support it in both the light or spirit energy? Where is the evidence to back up this claimed mediumship? And yet they claim themselves to be 'A skeptical team' yet they all believe themselves ether to be wizards, druids, mediums or wiccans. I'm confused. That is like stating that your a devoted Catholic priest that is skeptical if the Virgin Mary actually ever existed. In conversation to me he claimed:
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I'm also a trainee wizard, a wizard without a license practice magick
There’s an official licence to study magic? Hogwarts finally open for business i see. But as we continued what i failed to understand is with all this. Their team being primarily made of people that claim to have witnessed fairies, elementals (half man half goat from one of their accounts) that he claimed to have seen in his ' minds eye' . I just could not understand how they presented themselves as a skeptical, educational group. When asked why they investigated claims of faeries he stated:
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I don't call them fairies, I call them elementals, surely you have to include them when doing any serious PNI
And i quote from their founder, the very same person:
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We are skeptical enough to debunk most of our stuff, and our experts do the rest, what we have left is unexplainable.
A contradiction of terms surely?
And what experts are they? The Druid or the Medium? Rather than a rational, skeptical approach i would rather say a biased approach with the confusing twist of apparently being skeptic. How is this an educated guide at all? Educating and presenting guidance to potential investigators should be informing them of the rational approach, scientific advances in the field, the method of debunking certain experiences etc. But they seem to shave over that lightly.
The final quote from their 'Ghost Hunting Guide' was this, which was laughable considering the above:
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If you wish to do a serious paranormal investigation then you should arrange it with a Paranormal Investigation Group like us, who will be able to provide the experience and equipment to be able to investigate and record their findings using suitable equipment
So i take it serious investigation involves magic, mediumship, druids, fairy spotting and using your minds eye to find half man half goat elementals? When asked for proof to support these sightings their resident druid simply used the all to cheap back door and said (with other BP members in the chat room for support) she said:
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no, because you're not open to believe in them
Their ghost guide is seriously biased, a presentation of belief and not fact as they claim. With all the beliefs they claim to be fact on their website they are willing to provide no support or evidence of their claims. When challenged they get extremely aggressive, delete relevant challenging posts on their forums as they did several times to our other BP member here and even though they claim to be skeptical, they are about as far away from that as possible.
If you continue on with this guide they also claim that you can make contact with your spirit guide in 30 minutes. A quote from their spirit guide..er..guide.
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First, it is important to know that it may take weeks, months, or even years, before you are ready to make contact with your spirit guide(s).
BUT, with a little preparation and some patience, when you are ready to meet your spirit guide, here is a very simple and quick method you can use.
So it takes 30 minutes but also it could take years? Good start, good start. Lets continue on.
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Start in a relaxed mode, in a familiar relaxing place, and try to clear your mind. Close your eyes and look up and to the right. This will help induce alpha brainwaves which will help you.
Ask aloud or in your mind, "do I have a spirit guide and if so would you please make contact with me", and keep repeating "I would like to meet my spirit guides".
Just to let you know, i did try this. I followed the guide to the letter as i really was genuinely intrigued to meet my alleged spirit guide. I did as i was asked, though i felt a little stupid and i asked aloud. "Do i have a spirit guide, can you please talk to me?" Of course i received nothing in return as i expected. Being open-minded though not expecting anything i carried on reading the guide:
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You may begin to hear a voice either in your head or out-loud. If you do, then ask "are you my spirit guide?". This voice may sound like your own or it may be a voice you have not heard before. Or, it might be a voice you have heard before but couldn't place.
The voice may sound like mine? I've noticed that when i think, the voice always sounds like mine so surely that’s simply an excuse to explain you speaking with yourself rather than your apparent spirit guide? Aside from that, if i had if heard a voice out load, im more likely to jump out of my skin and panic rather than continue the 'connection'.
The guide, if you look for yourself talks on, most of it being largely ether power of suggestion or impossible to prove. For instance the guide says that when the spirit guide is with you, you feel a warm pressure on your right shoulder. Inevitably I’m sitting here now with a warm right shoulder. Power of suggestion i would put fourth.
The site in general, i'm hard done to sum up. Their team seem to have a whole host of contradictions, back doors and escape routes when challenged by skeptics, yet they claim to be skeptics themselves. Not only are the majority of their team wiccans, druids, wizards or mediums but they present guides on ghost hunting that use pseudo-science and unproven theories claiming they are fact. The video being confusing and incoherent provides nothing educational at all, and in my opinion are abusing the word 'fact' beyond recognition and misguiding people that come across their site.
I'm still trying to figure out if their guide to contacting your spirit guide is a wind up or not as it seems to totally contradict their apparently self confessed skeptical approach. On top of this, they have a truly huge online shop for selling new age products such as dowsing rods, crystals and Ouija boards. Which totally blows their claims of rationality from the water.
I don't often get annoyed about investigation groups methods but this one really gets to me. This is the type of group that gives truly skeptical organizations a bad name. It is also the type of group that misleads people and uses the word fact in far to many situations and subjects where there is no fact at all. They have people that get very nasty when challenged and they contradict themselves consistently.
From now on i would like to coin the phrase 'super-woo' as I’m sure you will agree, hopefully, this lot aren’t any normal kind of woo. Super-Woo they certainly are.
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| TVPG | Posted: 2008/10/16 21:42 Updated: 2008/10/18 12:19 |
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My first comment on this, is that the person who has said that they wrote this report, is the same person who designed the promotional banner graphic you see for the site, including our motto "investigate, record, analyse, report".
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| TVPG | Posted: 2008/10/19 18:28 Updated: 2008/10/21 17:10 |
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TVPG would like to comment on the article by ‘Crashcat’
First of all may we start by saying that we welcome some of the points made in the article? It is a pity that the author did not constructively suggest amendments to the web site when he was involved with the group. The Paranormal School free lesson referred to now makes it clear that the method employed is based upon the author’s personal experiences. The existence or otherwise of Spirit guides is of course a matter of individual belief, it is not intended to state that this is a fact. As we are sure your readers are aware a fact is something that can be verified objectively and ‘CrashCat’ is correct in his criticism of the use of the word contextually on the site. Many areas of the paranormal have not been established by this criteria. They form part of the human experience in life and may be due to causes as yet unknown. Therefore as the cause of those experiences is unknown it is exceedingly difficult to produce objective verification. As such, areas of the web page which were open to misinterpretation have been amended. Unfortunately, as ‘CrashCat’ states, his only contact with the group has been via public forum postings and sessions in the chat facility. Had he actually attended investigations he would have found that the personal religious and philosophical views of the members do not impede objective investigation. His view that: ‘they all believe themselves ether to be wizards, druids, mediums or wiccans’ Is factually inaccurate and a retraction would be welcome. The members of the group have a wide spectrum of religious and philosophical belief which includes Christian, Atheist and Agnostic. Equally there is reference to a chat room conversation with an individual which is then followed with the statement by ‘CrashCat’ that: ‘Their team being primarily made of people that claim to have witnessed fairies, elementals (half man half goat from one of their accounts) that he claimed to have seen in his 'minds eye' This again is inaccurate – it refers to only those individuals who stated that they had such experiences. To then use those statements to state that the team is primarily made of people who have had such experiences is inaccurate. Other team members have not experienced such events. Again a retraction would be welcome. ‘CrashCat’ makes reference to experts and again somewhat disparagingly brings religious and philosophical beliefs into the discussion. This is to be regretted. He asks who the experts are – the Druid or the Medium. The experts in the group are those who have in depth knowledge of an area, who or what they believe in is of course irrelevant and smacks of a personal vendetta . What is important is that they approach an investigation objectively. Personal bias has no place in any investigation and is challenged. As a guide our experts include people with extensive experience, training and academic qualifications in photography, physics and other fields. It is all too easy to resort to making judgements on the basis of forum discussions – what is important as I am sure your readers will realize is that the investigatory approach utilized is objective. When we undertake investigations then the main criteria is Can the reported phenomenon be explained? If so then there is no case to answer. If it cannot then it means that there is no current explanation. |
| bob_dezon | Posted: 2008/10/21 18:04 Updated: 2008/10/22 8:53 |
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You refer to objectivity and experts, yet your group claims to commune with imaginary creatures? Im sorry but that is quite silly indeed.
While I can appriciate some sort of social club where people an gather and discuss their fantasies, those fantasies should never be confused with reality. Nice article crashcat, you should be made aware that if any of your data is innacurate it should be subject to ammendment or retraction. However, it is not your responsibility to kowtow to a damage reduction attempt by this ludicrous group. How is the weather in Narnia btw? |
| MikeG | Posted: 2008/10/22 22:01 Updated: 2008/10/23 4:22 |
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My staitment in return:
There are three of us here, not just myself. But three BP members who have been subjected to their way of dealing with not just challenges to their way of investigating (an intended debate to NOT TROLL OR CRITISIZE) but to openly discuss claims they have made. We had many discussions with them about their claims, their methods and indeed their members and each and every time our challenges were seen as 'trolling' or being nasty. We disagreed with the way that they performed their investigations but ultimately never intended for the discussion to ever become nasty, we only intended for our challenges to be received with healthy debate. Having said that they have a few members there such as Ysgawen and Neale that when asked to produce evidence or indeed respond with healthy debate, ether get very nasty, use back doors or delete relevant posts to the discussions. On one occasion one of their members harshly criticized me and suggested i made up the word 'Xenonormal' i corrected her (which made her look wrong) and a few moments later the posts regarding the subject were deleted with the excuse they were off topic. But what confused me was it was THEIR members that always swayed the conversations off topic. My problem is not with their founder or indeed the majority of their members, though their founder was unfounded in a lot of his actions. My problem is with one of their members, Ysgawen that seemed to gain sympathy from their members, suggesting a biased approach to their forum. She was allowed to be rude and harsh, even calling Jon 'offensive and patronising' and it was for example was okay for this member to produce harsh arguments, but if myself or other BP members were to we were warned or banned or posts were deleted. I'm sorry but that to me is not only biased but extremely contradictory and if i may say, hypocritical. Myself and the other unnamed BP members (until they wish to reveal themselves) and even Jon himself were their simply to open debate, talk about other ways of investigation and to correct them on some points of interest. However like i said, they would get very aggressive, defensive, and accuse of of being 'nasty and rude' when we had not been rude at all, in fact we were sitting their stunned at the accusations. We have been named as trolls, troublemakers and flamers and i was even called an 'idiot'. I assure you (though i have no idea how they regard those terms as) but in the correct sense we were far from any of that. Yet when challenged, and with no answer to our challenges, they simply became aggressive. As a result a retraction, i feel is unnecessary (as i say, there are three witnesses to these occurrences, not solely mine). However, never did we resort to name calling or accusations such as they with their words of trolling and troublemakers and calling our members 'idiots'. From my personal standpoint i think it should be their apology that is awaited. We were also quoted on the forum as wanting EVERYTHING scientifically explained. This is indeed not the case. We simply required proof, a little debate and a critical approach. Yes I never went on an investigation, not from what I see, and most of the forum see’s I hope is that their forum contradicts their claims of scepticism. Look at their members list it is plain to see that most of their members are not sceptical. From my experience, you CANT have a believer - sceptics as their claimed to be as their approach. For instance how can you have a sceptic that believes in magic? Maybe I’m wrong, I don’t know, my head is dead from their sheer unrelenting philosophy. *Even more recently, they have been calling us 'the bad guys' and making attempts to bad mouth us to other members of their forum to avoid us for little reason that telling the truth. Not good. * = Edit Thanks. |
| admin | Posted: 2008/10/23 4:25 Updated: 2008/10/23 4:25 |
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Years ago i wouldve been pissed off at being treated like that on such a forum, but now i am used to it.
These groups HATE free speech, the last thing they want is any kind of sceptical or critical thought, they only want to present their own agenda. Thats why BP is so great, we allow EVERYONE a chance to put their side across, nothing gets edited, and rarely will anyone get deleted. Try not to stress over these people, just be proud in the knowledge you are in the right, for they know what they are doing and that proves my point about them and actually reinforces the original article |










